Don’t tell me I’m going to hell

This weekend someone used the pathetic argument that I should believe in God so I won’t go to hell. Her intentions were good, but the result was still horribly disrespectful. At the very least, she thinks I need to think about it long and hard when I find myself on my deathbed.

This line of reasoning, if its even worthy of being called that, will always fail for the following reasons:

  1. The kind of god who would condemn an ethical and just person to eternal torment while rewarding an unethical and unjust person with eternal paradise based on what they believe is the prime example of an unethical and unjust being. Such a being would be worthy of nothing short of disdain and contempt if it existed.
  2. Deathbed conversions cannot be counted for anything. To take the thoughts and maybe even actions of someone in the final moments of his or her life while ignoring the entire lifetime that preceded it is absurd. If someone is dying, there is a very high probability that what ever is causing that death is directly or indirectly impeding normal cognitive function. As such, a deathbed conversion would be a byproduct of temporary delusion or even insanity, but not likely the rational conclusions of a rational person.
  3. Most atheists are skeptics, as such they demand empirical evidence. If you can’t provide any for God, then good luck finding any empirical evidence for hell. If on the other hand you think you can provide some evidence for the existence of your specific god, then why are you using a scare tactic? Anyway, if you can’t provide a skeptic empirical evidence for your claim, you will have failed to establish an epistemological common ground, failed to effectively communicate, and your claim will not be seriously considered.
  4. Once a child no longer believes in Santa Claus, the child will not be good simply out of fear of Santa’s ever watching eye and vengeful nature. Likewise, when an person no longer believes in God, fear of God’s vengeance will have no impact.

Fear tactics of any kind are disrespectful to rational people. One that comes with it a threat of eternal torture, that’s just plain shitty. This tactic deserves no more dignified of a response than a quick, “Fuck you, asshole.”

If on the other hand it’s someone you care about, or maybe even at a family dinner, then you should go with a more metered approach, such as a few points from the above. Take it as an opportunity to educate the believers present about the rationality of your position. If you’re as lucky as I am, you may even have a brother and fellow atheist present to back you up.

Aside from that, I had a wonderful weekend.

7 Comments


  1. I'm continually surprised by how often Pascal's wager is trotted out. I like the points you raise, but I like to add the "if you only believe for avoiding hell, why not believe in the god who has the worst hell?" response as well.


  2. I do love you alot Dustin and just want to see you happy.


  3. I know you do, however my level of happiness has steadily increased since leaving religion and making my way to atheism. I was miserable before and I have a happy life filled with inner peace now. Those are things that faith is supposed to bring, but from my experience it was the exact opposite.
    The statement at dinner on Friday bothered me and the setting made it so that I didn't feel that I could freely respond while being respectful of our hosts. I had a lot of time in my almost 10 hour drive home to think about it.

    I live life following the dictates of conscience and reason, I follow the evidence as freely as possible to where it leads. This is what has made me the happy, respectful, and responsible person that I am today.

    Making an appeal to emotion to someone who lives life by reason will have no effect other than providing a disrespectful source of irritation. It's no different for me.


  4. I am sorry if I offended you, that was not my intention. I think you are an awesome person and I am proud of how you have grown up. I know you are extremely intelligent which is great but can sometimes be a curse. I love you period, your beliefs are your choice that will never change the fact that I care about you. I just don't question things like you and I have experienced miracles in my life, you can call them what you will but too me they are are miracles. I guess some may call it Karma or luck but even though to the outsider my life may not look fun I have made it through some really precarious situations. So for now how about we agree to disagree.  


  5. On the plus side at least you know I am reading your blog 🙂


  6. I wasn't offended, just annoyed.

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