My Trip to the Northwest “Science” Museum

Yesterday I went with 10 members of the local atheist community representing West Valley Freethinkers, Idaho Atheists, and Humanists of Idaho to the Northwest “Science” Museum.

Proposed Design of the Northwest Science Museum.

If you check out their website, you will find very quickly that the goal is to have a state of the art, multimillion dollar creationist propaganda center, excuse me, museum. For now they just have one exhibit in a classroom at Zion Christian School in Nampa, ID.

This is a long, but it’s mostly pictures. For the print impaired I have added “alt text” or captions to all of the pictures. I’ll be providing limited commentary throughout, saving most of my conclusions for the end. Since it is quite long, the rest will follow after the jump.

When you enter the room you are greeted by a table of religious and political handouts:

A picture of the table with religious and political propaganda

There’s a sign over the table that says the handouts are free if you read and share them. To keep up my end the bargain I’ll read the few I picked up and share them here on the blog. That’s going to be fun.

Large Extinct Mammals

The first piece of the exhibit is a cast of the Lone Star Mastodon, currently one of the largest that as been found, discovered near San Antonio, TX.

Mastodon Skull

Next up are some giant sloth and bones and a cast of a mammoth jaw.

Giant Sloth skull and a few other bonesMastodon Jaw
There were more mammoth, mastodon, and bison bones that were displayed, but are not shown here.

Small Dinosaurs
A cast of a nearly complete Psittacosaurus.
This is a small, bird like dinosaur that has a beak and no teeth.

So far we have seen bones from relatively recent mammals and fossils of dinosaurs and one ancient mammal. Certainly nothing that would shatter the conventional scientific understanding of ancient species. Then we have a juvenile Psittacosaurus or similar small dinosaur that was found in the stomach of a mammal. Shocking, Right?
Newspaper article about a mammal fossil that was found with dinosaur remains in its stomach.
A picture of a cast of the above fossil. The mammal was very small and the dinosaur it eat was a baby of a very small species to begin with.

Since modern mammals, even rather small ones (like cats) can be found eating birds and lizards, it shouldn’t be surprising that a small mammal 100 million years ago could have eaten an even smaller dinosaur.

Many fossils are found with their mouths closed and cocked back. According to the sign at the museum, this does not happen naturally, so they must have been in agony and buried rapidly.

Misinformational Sign - Text Reads: PSITTACOSAURUS These are commonly called 'parrot dinosaurs.
Cast of a fossil of a Psittacosaurus that is flattened, except for its head which is cocked back.

I’m curious what percentage constitutes “many” and whether or not this is a phenomena that occurred in certain geographical regions or ecosystems or if it has been found everywhere through all strata. Rapid burying can happen due to localized flooding, sedimentation, volcanic activity, or shifting sand dunes. So that certainly wouldn’t require a global flood. A head that’s cocked back while the rest of the body is flat doesn’t scream agony to me. I’m also curious about the sources for all of the speculation the offer.

Footprints in the Sand

Next up, we have the impressions taken from various sedimentation slabs from a river in Texas. Apparently these slabs contain impressions from both dinosaurs and humans, of course I did hear an admission that they are never found in the same slab, but the possible human impressions were found in a slab that was underneath one that contained possible dinosaur impressions.

Sign that reads: Dinosaur and Human footprints together? See the evidence and decide for yourself!
Sign reads: Human and dinosaur footprints found together. There are human footprints from all over the world that date back to, and before the dinosaurs according to evolutionary geology. The evidence is so overwhelming and the science done with the tracks is so convincing as to leave little or no doubt that humans and dinosaurs coexisted.
Picture of man pointing at underwater tracks and standing on top of broken slabs. Text reads: Tracks of dinosaurs and other animals are often found in slabs that are broken up by the flood waters of the Paluxy River. Many people collect tracks that they find in these broken slabs.
Cast of a three toed footprint.
Small dinosaur or large bird.
Cast of what appears to be a human handprint.
This is supposedly a human hand print.
Cast of two prints together. The quality of the impression is so low that it's difficult to make them out. One appears to be a large three toed print and the other appears to have five toes.
A three toed foot print and a five toed foot print.
Cast of a five clawed footprint.
A five clawed foot print.
Cast of a paw print.
A paw print.
Cast of a five toed foot.
A five toed foot print.

Giant Humans

Apparently some giant humans were found in a tomb in Turkey in the 1930s, or at least a femur, and a few other large human skeletons:

Sign reads: Giant Human Skeletons? See the evidences for yourself.
Cast of a very large human femur attached to an outline of a skeleton of 13 foot tall human.

Abiogenesis

Isn’t circular logic fun?

Circular chart that reads: You need DNA to get RNA - You need RNA to get Protein - You need Protein to get DNA -

It just wouldn’t be a creationist museum without a jab at abiogensis. Of course they are failing to consider that self replicating amino acids have been demonstrated in laboratories.

A Fun Metaphor

Ever Christian ministry needs at least one Pauline metaphor.

Sign reads: A catepillar can be pretty and display wonderful examples of design, but it will change into a creature of indescribable beauty and complexity. That happens through the miracle of metamorphosis. In Romans 12:2 we are told to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. The Greek word for 'transformed' is 'metamorfow' which means 'to change into another form, to transform.' In a small way, that is what this museum represents today. Now it is in caterpillar stage. That is worthy of giving God praise, but this museum is not complete. With God's guidance someday this museum will undergo a metamorphosis into something far better than what you now see.
Butterfly display.
Pictures of insects trapped in amber.

It Must Have Been the Flood

Now it’s time for the clincher for the evidence of the flood: there’s clam and snail fossils above dinosaur tracks and ancient sea life, such as trilobites found at the top of mountains.

Picture of a creek bed with clam and snail shells.
Fossils of clams and snails.
Trilobite and other marine fossils.

During different time periods plains can be come swamps, coast land can become the bottom of a bay, and plate tectonics can move rocks that were once part of the ocean floor to the top of mountains. These events don’t refute modern science, they’re predicted by it.

Crazy Town

Of course they did have to go from a little crazy to completely bat shit crazy…

pictures of Nazca Lines
A stone with a long necked lizard and a human engraved on it.
Cover of the book, 'Secrets of the Ica Stones and Nazca Lines' complete with a picture of an ancient person riding a dinosaur.
Stone with an engraving that looks kind of like a Triceratops.

I know they’re claiming that this proves that humans and dinosaurs coexisted, but with the “Astronaut” (top) it almost seems like they’re also suggesting that we’ve been visited by aliens.

I’d be curious to see a professional assessment of these engravings to determine whether or not they’re even genuine. Even if they are, the presence of mythical artwork doesn’t prove that dinosaurs, dragons, unicorns, or space aliens have ever co-existed with humans. Ancient people had plenty of crazy ideas that we’ve out grown.

How about some dinosaur bones (not fossils) found in an archaeological site? Now that would be worth considering.

Conclusions
Overall, I’m not impressed. 
The footprints would seem to be the most damning of evidence they have, however, in areas that are prone to flooding, strata getting mixed up isn’t surprising. I was also able to get our tour guide to admit that they are very hard to identify with any certainty, the three toe tracks could just as easily be birds or dinosaurs and the five toed tracks could just as easily be lizards or mammals. I think he missed my phylogenetic inference, especially since he agreed with me.
Another interesting thing to note from the bones and fossils is that the remains from mammoths, mastodons, and other relatively recent species are all bones that still contain organic materials. The trilobites, dinosaurs, and other creatures that are all from many millions of years ago are all fossilized. There are no 65 million year old mastodon fossils or 10,000 year old dinosaur bones. Everything is found as science predicts it would be.

If, as creationists suggest, all species were present before the flood, then we should find modern species, or at least something close to modern species fossilized in the same strata and dated to the same age as trilobites, dinosaurs, and other species from eons ago. We should also find bones, not just fossils from dinosaurs that were spared from the flood on the Ark. Ambiguous footprints are no where near as compelling as fossils.

I know it’s still quite small, but the Northwest “Science” Museum is a joke. They have a few cool bones and fossils, but they don’t make a compelling or even interesting argument. It would be interesting to see if the full museum would be any higher quality, but that’s assuming they ever get the money to build it.

4 Comments


  1. Great job, Dustin.

    I figured I'd throw in that your photo titled "A five toed foot print." is known as the burdick print. It looks about as poorly made as if a cave man had put it together… which is exactly what happened:
    http://paleo.cc/paluxy/wilker6.htm

    Note that the imprint is on the wrong side of where the stone was deposited.


  2. Fabricated evidence from creationists? Shocking!


  3. Abiogensis is an embarrassment! Intelligent chemists can produce amino acids, but they are always the wrong kind for life! Also, genetic information never arises from amino acids alone! NEVER has life arisen from a non living source Delusional atheist retards! Abiogenesis is NOT SCIENCE! there is ZERO evidence supporting it!!


    1. If you look at the history of the god of the gaps, it keeps shrinking. At this point we’re down to the start of the Big Bang and abiogenesis. The likelihood that something we don’t yet understand naturally caused those is higher than the likelihood that a god did those two things and nothing else.

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