Goldstein’s take on science is utter BS. The divergent views and constant argument is what allows for advancements and dropping old incorrect ideas. Much of the rest of what he has to say is right. The core doctrines of the Seventh-day Adventist church are not compatible with evolution and neither is the gospel as a whole. If you accept evolution (scientific fact) then it’s time to drop Christianity (myth). Those who most successfully make it fit do so by accept that it’s a myth.
On a side note, Goldstein and my dad are old friends, so I met him a few years back when he was the keynote speaker at the Southern Oregon Campmeeting.
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I really enjoyed watching that. Yes, I wouldn't understand anyone who accepted evolution as we understand it and remained Adventist. I found his ideas on Dawkins laughable. There is one point he made that I accept that maybe some atheists and former Adventist might not accept. He said that he can't be anything but a Seventh-day Adventist. If that's how he feels, I'm not going to disagree with him. I've long accepted that I can't be anything other than an atheist and I've had so many people attack that position that I just can't see myself disagreeing with someone who says that they can't be something other than what they are religiously. I once read something written by a lesbian Christian (not Adventist – not any denomination really I don't think) who wrote that she could no easier give up being a Christian than being gay. The people who ask her to give up Christianity know her no better than those who would ask her to give up being gay. I feel like I was born atheist despite being born into Adventism. While I suppose people aren't born believing any particular religion, I can believe that it would be impossible or next to impossible for some (certainly not all and I would guess probably a minority) people to leave. Maybe there's some kind of psychological or even neurological research begging to be done on this subject. Sorry to go off on a tangent here. I just had that thought come into my head as I was watching.
-Ashton
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I like how he thinks vigorous debate in science is a bad thing and single-minded confidence is good.
Oy…
While I'm glad to be out of the church, I am sometimes glad that I brought up as a part of a true-believer culture as it gave me something solid to argue against and it has given me a reason to define my views.
I think sometimes that those, like Goldstein perhaps, that are raised with a passive absence of religion never need to know why they lack belief and therefor are vulnerable to religion.
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Typical xtian retard. I think his attack on Dawkins is a sign of the terror he feels in his heart for the upcoming diminished role religion will play in the lives of the gullible. Xtians fear evolution because it disproves religion.
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Typical xtian retard. I think his attack on Dawkins is a sign of the terror he feels in his heart for the upcoming diminished role religion will play in the lives of the gullible. Xtians fear evolution because it disproves religion.
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I really enjoyed watching that. Yes, I wouldn't understand anyone who accepted evolution as we understand it and remained Adventist. I found his ideas on Dawkins laughable. There is one point he made that I accept that maybe some atheists and former Adventist might not accept. He said that he can't be anything but a Seventh-day Adventist. If that's how he feels, I'm not going to disagree with him. I've long accepted that I can't be anything other than an atheist and I've had so many people attack that position that I just can't see myself disagreeing with someone who says that they can't be something other than what they are religiously. I once read something written by a lesbian Christian (not Adventist – not any denomination really I don't think) who wrote that she could no easier give up being a Christian than being gay. The people who ask her to give up Christianity know her no better than those who would ask her to give up being gay. I feel like I was born atheist despite being born into Adventism. While I suppose people aren't born believing any particular religion, I can believe that it would be impossible or next to impossible for some (certainly not all and I would guess probably a minority) people to leave. Maybe there's some kind of psychological or even neurological research begging to be done on this subject. Sorry to go off on a tangent here. I just had that thought come into my head as I was watching.
-Ashton
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