Teaching Science in Public Schools

As a reminder, I offered a while back to answer questions here on the blog. Fortunately we have another one from our friend David:

Hey Dustin,

All of your comments on evolution vs. intelligent design being taught in school has got me thinking. I understand your position on intelligent design being taught in school in regards to religion. But as I have been thinking about this it has left me wondering how teaching evolution in school is any better than teaching intelligent design in school. Allow me to explain.

Webster’s dictionary defines religion as “A personal set, or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs or practices.” I think that you can agree that everyone has a personal set of beliefs including their beliefs about religion whether they believe in God or not. While, to my knowledge, there is no official, centralized atheist institution, there are organizations with the goal to provide community for atheists similar to the way a religious church would create a community for fellow believers. You, as a professed, atheist identify yourself with a group of people who believe in evolution. Given this definition of religion, I would argue that atheism is a religion.

I would agree that teaching intelligent design, specifically creationism, is promoting the belief in a God, or higher being. Therefore “forcing” religion on the students. However, teaching evolution does the same thing to those who believe in intelligent design. By teaching evolution in schools, the curriculum is denying that a God, or higher being exists. Therefore forcing the “religion”/beliefs of atheism on students who believe in God.

If you want to be fair and just. Both theories should be taught, or neither. You can’t expect christian students to learn a creation theory contrary to what they believe any more than you can ask an atheist student to learn intelligent design.

Your thoughts?

David

Atheism is not a religion. Atheism is not a set or system of beliefs, it is simply the lack of one specific belief. There are no religious attitudes (beliefs, feelings, tradition, faith, etc) or practices (cultic rituals, traditions, etc). Thus I would have to say that it clearly is not a religion.

Yes, many atheists do share similar worldviews, ethical systems, and epistimolocial systems. Some atheists even form groups with like minded people. One group I’m apart of is a naturalistic club. Everybody in the group holds a naturalistic worldview. When we get together we talk about science. I recently led a discussion that was as far from science as we have gotten and it was on naturalistic theories of morality. The other groups are just people with something in common getting together in a friendly environment to hang out for a few hours. These groups are vastly different from any religious service I’ve ever been to (from about 10 or so different religious traditions), they more closely resemble what you might find at any club organized on any topic.

Humans do need to have worldviews, ethical systems, epistemological systems, and community. You get yours from a religion, that does not mean that mine make up a religion.

While we are in agreement that evolution and Christianity are not compatible, there are a lot of Christians who disagree. Ken Miller is a fine example of a devout believer who fully accepts evolutionary fact and theory. He even wrote a book on evolution called, Finding Darwin’s God. While I haven’t read it yet, it has come highly recommended and is on my lengthy list of books to read.

Evolution is not a belief of atheism, it is science. It is the fundamental facts and theories behind biology, just as gravity and special relativity are for cosmology. Evolution is also not the only thing in science which contradicts certain religious beliefs and the Bible itself, so does the view that the world is round, that the Earth orbits the Sun, and that diseases are caused by viruses and microbes. Where the difference is, comes that with out an Adam and Eve there is no fall, whereas if the Earth doesn’t have four corners, then its no big deal.

Intelligent Design (ID) in its purest form has nothing to say about the facts of evolution, namely common decent. To be blunt, it really doesn’t have anything to say at all. Let me sum it up for you. “Bacteria flagella, the human eye, and the acid squirter on the bombardier beetle are all really complicated, so complicated that it hurts my brain to try to figure out how they developed, so someone or something that we won’t name must have designed it.”

To say that all life has come from a common ancestor (the fact of evolution) and that Natural Selection (the theory of evolution) is generally a sufficient explanation, but that in a few rare cases we need a God of the gaps, is not an answer. It certainly isn’t science.

Creationism is a different, although closely related, non-scientific position that rejects all of the evidence in favor of a text from the Iron Age.

Let me be clear here:

  • Evolution (common descent) is a scientific fact. Facts should be taught in school.
  • Natural selection is the the only scientifically viable explanatory theory for evolution, as such it should also be taught in school.
  • Intelligent Design is nothing more than a “God of the gaps” argument with NO scientific credibility.
  • Creationism is a complete denial of science in favor of an ancient myth.

I’ve had a class that taught the controversy. It was presented by two professors at the Seventh-day Adventist Theological Seminary who were trying to acquaint us with the evidence for both sides while not hiding their bias for creationism. Even though they presented a very weak and outdated version of evolution, it was much more convincing than creationism.

I would be OK with teaching both sides (or all three) since it’s pretty clear when you look at the evidence which one is science. Unfortunately education in the US is falling way behind the rest of the world. It would be a complete waste of valuable time to present ID and creationism in a science class. Let’s leave science classes for real science.

6 Comments


  1. David and Dustin, you both have well thought out opinions on this matter. However, I disagree with both of you and for the sake of stirring up more debate I will explain why.

    Here is the easy part of my argument, all but one religion has to be wrong. All of the worlds many religions disagree with each other and therefor, at most, only one can be correct. (I happen to think they are all incorrect.) Therefor, if you teach any one religion in schools there is a very good chance you are teaching things that are not true. I don't think religion has to be correct (how could it be) to be taught in schools. But it does have to be taught as religion, not science.

    Here is the shocker. Science is also wrong. Most of what is taught in grade school and high school science classes (provided the teacher knows their topic) is probably correct. However, I can pull many science books from my shelves and show you where graduate level physics books contradict each other, thus showing that some of the ideas must be wrong. As a student of the sciences I read many books on the same topic and know why the books disagree, some of the information is old and theories have changes, and at times there where different simplifying assumptions made in a derivation. The bottom line is though, science is about new discoveries and controversy and too be a scientist you have to dig into the controversies to understand what is going on. Science doesn't have to be write to be good science, but it does have to follow the scientific method, which will ultimately keep the correct theories and eliminate the incorrect ones.

    My conclusion. But Adam and Eve in a religion class along with Buddha, tell the students not everything they are being taught is necessarily true and call it a RELIGION class.
    Put the latest controversial theories of evolution in a science class. Tell the students that theories come and go. But be sure to explain how the scientific method tends to keep the good theories and chuck the bad ones. Some students will go on to study science while others will go on to study the religions of the world. Whatever a student decides to study, teaching them science and calling it science and teaching them religion and calling it religion will give all students the best footing on understanding the world around them.

    BP

    P.S. I reread what I just wrote and I can't believe I have such a soft view on teaching religion in schools.


  2. I agree that a social studies class covering all of the religions of the world would be a great curriculum addition. I also think that would be the appropriate place to put ID and creationism.


  3. Tomorrow I'll post the video where Dan Dennet says the same about high school religion classes.


  4. I actually don't totally disagree with you Dustin, or the above comments. I agree that ID or creationism is not science but religion. Although, I would submit that evolution is not proven scientific fact. There is evidence to support evolution, but short of going back in time and witnessing evolution, I do not believe it is possible to prove definitively that it happened.

    I understand the importance of separation of church and state, and I support it. But, I know Christians, whose children go to public school, and after being taught evolution, come home confused about their beliefs and what they should believe. This leaves me unsettled. That by upholding separation of church and state, the government is teaching Christian students that their beliefs are wrong. Therefore weighing in on religion.


  5. There is Reason and there is religion. The twain shall not meet. Thanks Dustin for a well written and convincing opinion. Followers of Idiot Desigh (ID) choose fear and faith over research. No wonder their children are confused! Those raised otherwise seem much at ease with the real world.grasshoppa


  6. David – By your standard of evidence, then we should also rule out black holes, supernovas, subatomic particles, and ALL of history.

    Speciation has been directly observed. Evolution as a whole has been tested in every conceivable way, and passed. It is proven by the fossil record, genetics, and all other fields of biology. It is the only scientifically viable explanation. I'm curious, how much of the evidence you have actually looked at?

    Moving on to educational topics that challenge faith, by your standard then we also shouldn't teach that the Earth is round and that it is not the center of the universe and blood transfusions and other medical treatments should be left out of health and anatomy classes.

    Probably the best comparison is fact based sexual education vs abstinence only sexual education. The later bends to the religious convictions of parents, but it also leads to higher rates of STDs, teen pregnancy, and abortion.

    Science and education cannot be castrated to avoid offending religious parents.

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